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Pat Krin, MSN, M.S., RN, NCSN-E, FNP-BC-Retired, FNASN

Pat Krin, MSN, M.S., RN, NCSN-E, FNP-BC-Retired, FNASN07-01-2019 08:26 PM

Pat Krin, MSN, M.S., RN, NCSN-E, FNP-BC-Retired, FNASN

Pat Krin, MSN, M.S., RN, NCSN-E, FNP-BC-Retired, FNASN07-02-2019 11:25 AM

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  • 1.  Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 06-29-2019 01:33 AM
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    Welcome to Week #5:  Be like Tigger, keep bouncing forward!
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    Our online study group is "bouncing" ahead to Chapter 7 in the Selekman/Wolfe School Nursing Certification Review book.  This chapter focuses on Special Health Issues and comprises approximately 10% of the possible NCSN exam questions.  Sharing your process is helpful for everyone, so please think about checking in and letting us know how your preparation is going.

    I continue my quest to find multiple choice study questions that are specific to school nursing.  Here is a link to an online sample test through the generous State of Illinois!  This is helpful because it is an online version and is similar to the NBCSN test experience.  Some of the questions are specific to Illinois regulations, but others are more global questions for practice.

    Here is the link: ILTS School Nurse Practice Test
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    Here are more multiple-choice taking strategies from:  Nurse Labs test taking strategies

    7. Identify Specific Determiners

    When the options of a test item contain words that are identical or similar to words in the stem, the alert test taker recognizes the similarities as clues about the likely answer to the question. The stem word that clues you to a similar word in the option or that limits potential options is known as a specific determiner. For example:


    The government agency responsible for administering the nursing practice act in each state is the:

    1. Board of regents
    2. Board of nursing
    3. State nurses' association
    4. State hospital association


    Options 2 and 3 contain the closely related words nurse and nursing. The word nursing, used both in the stem and in option 2, is a clue to the correct answer.

    8. Identify Words in the Options That Are Closely Associated With Words in the Stem

    Be alert to words in the options that may be closely associated with but not identical to a word or words in the stem. For example:


    When a person develops symptoms of physical illness for which psychogenic factors act as causative agents, the resulting illness is classified as:

    1. Dissociative
    2. Compensatory
    3. <g class="gr_ gr_164 gr-alert gr_spell gr_inline_cards gr_run_anim ContextualSpelling ins-del multiReplace" id="164" data-gr-id="164">Psychophysiologic</g>
    4. Reaction formation


    Option 3 should strike you as a likely answer since it combines physical and psychologic factors, like those referred to in the stem.

    9. Watch for Grammatical Inconsistencies

    If one or more of the options are not grammatically consistent with the stem, the alert test taker usually can eliminate these distractors. The correct option must be consistent with the form of the question. If the question demands a response in the singular, plural options usually can be safely eliminated. When the stem is in the form of an incomplete sentence, each option should complete the sentence in a grammatically correct way. For example:


    Communicating with a male client who is deaf will be facilitated by:

    1. Use gestures
    2. Speaking loudly
    3. Find out if he has a hearing aid
    4. Facing the client while <g class="gr_ gr_63 gr-alert gr_spell gr_inline_cards gr_run_anim ContextualSpelling ins-del multiReplace" id="63" data-gr-id="63">speaking</g>


    <g class="gr_ gr_63 gr-alert gr_spell gr_inline_cards gr_disable_anim_appear ContextualSpelling ins-del multiReplace" id="63" data-gr-id="63">Options</g> 1 and 3 do not complete the sentence in a grammatically correct way and can, therefore, be eliminated. Option 2 would be of no assistance with a deaf client, so option 4 is the correct answer.
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    Best of luck to those who are planning on taking the exam during the upcoming testing window. Here are some last minute test preparation suggestions:



    Stay in touch! I am looking forward to hearing from you!





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    Robin Cogan, MEd, RN, NCSN
    School Nurse & Faculty
    Rutgers-Camden School of Nursing
    Camden City School District, NJ
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  • 2.  RE: Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 06-29-2019 08:01 AM
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    I appreciate this on line group. It certainly helps knowing there are others studying this summer along with me! The sample questions and study hints are very helpful. I studied on the beach this week and am convinced that enjoying the sun and ocean sounds helped retain valuable information. :)






  • 3.  RE: Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 07-01-2019 08:17 PM
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    While reviewing today for the test, I was completing the NASN practice tests (purchased 75 question each test) and came across two questions/answers that I do not understand.

    Question #45​
    Which of the following should be done if a tooth is avulsed?
    A. Wrap tooth in Gauze
    B. Pick up tooth by the root
    C. Reimplant tooth if possible
    D. Dispose pf tooth in hazardous container

    The answer key states B-Pick up tooth by the root.  Our study guide on page 111 states to avoid picking up the tooth by the root so why is this the answer?  

    Question #59
    Which of the following conditions is characterized by wheezing?
    A. Tuberculosis
    B. Sinus infection
    C. Tension pneumothorax
    D. Congestive Heart Failure

    The answer key states D-CHF.  Why is this the answer? 

    Thank You for your feedback!  


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    Jaimie Lewis RN, BSN
    School Nurse
    Pueblo City Schools
    Pueblo, CO United States
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  • 4.  RE: Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 07-01-2019 08:26 PM
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    Jamie, # 45 sounds incorrect. I would think C would be the correct answer. The other I will have to research to be sure. Thanks for asking. Will get back to you. Mistakes do happen unfortunately. I am not home with my references but will get back to the group as soon as possible.

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    Pat Krin





  • 5.  RE: Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 07-02-2019 09:54 AM
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    I have taken that same review test and also have the answer key.  ​On my review test/answer key the answer to question #45 is C.   Perhaps she got the answer key a little mixed up when looking at it.​

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    Susan gardner-seitz B.S. Nursing
    Havre De Grace, MD United States
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  • 6.  RE: Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 07-02-2019 11:08 AM
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    Susan, thanks for that clarification. I would also say that the correct answer is C. None of the other answers could be correct at all. Unfortunately our account manager is on vacation this week. But I will have her check the questions when she returns.  I don't see how the answers could be different in the tests because there is only one version of each practice test.

     

    Regards,

     

    Pat

     

    Pat Krin, MSN, RN, FNP-BC-Retired, NCSN, FNASN

    Executive Director

    NBCSN

    nbcsnexec@nbcsn.org

    www.nbcsn.org

     






  • 7.  RE: Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 07-02-2019 12:07 PM
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    The test key most definitely said B on mine when I took it so maybe it glitched or did something weird.  (I even had my husband come read it to make sure I wasn't getting tired eyes ha!).  Thank You all for your clarification.  I greatly appreciate it!

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    Jaimie Lewis RN, BSN
    School Nurse
    Pueblo City Schools
    Pueblo, CO United States
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  • 8.  RE: Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 07-02-2019 12:18 PM
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    Jamie, was there a rationale with the answer?

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    Pat Krin





  • 9.  RE: Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 07-02-2019 11:25 AM
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    Jamie, as mentioned yesterday I am away and don't have access to my reference materials.  We will be checking on your concern about the answer to  questions #45. The correct answer is definitely C, so we will make sure that that is the case in the practice exam.  If you get a question incorrect you should get a rationale with the correct answer at the end of the test. Did that not occur? Please let me know if you are not getting rationale with the incorrect answers.

     

    Again, I don't have my references but doing a check on line I think you will find that while there is wheezing in CHF, none of the other choices have wheezing as a symptom,

     

    The best online reference I could find was the Mayo Clinic, which is a reasonable reference.

     

     

     

    Cardiac asthma: What causes it? - Mayo Clinic



    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-failure/expert.../faq-20058447

     

    1.      

    It's a type of coughing or wheezing that occurs with left heart failure. ... Heart failure can cause fluid to build up in your lungs (pulmonary edema) and in and around your airways. The latter causes signs and symptoms - such as shortness of breath, coughing and wheezing - that may mimic asthma.

     

    Here is another reference that discusses causes other than asthma for wheezing.

     

    https://www.uptodate.com/contents/evaluation-of-wheezing-illnesses-other-than-asthma-in-adults

     

    Regards,

     

    Pat

     

    Pat Krin, MSN, RN, FNP-BC-Retired, NCSN, FNASN

    Executive Director

    NBCSN

    nbcsnexec@nbcsn.org

    www.nbcsn.org

     






  • 10.  RE: Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 07-02-2019 04:20 PM
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    There is another question on the NCSN practice exam the question is as follows:

    The delegated caregiver of a first grade special education student cannot accompany the student on a field trip. The school is mandating that the mother must go on the trip. The school nurse must advise the principal this action breaches the intent of which of the following? 

    A. FMLA
    B. Section 504 of the Rehab act 
    C. IDEA
    D. FERPA

    the answer key states the correct answer is B section 504. 

    I initially thought the correct response would be C. IDEA because the student receives special education services in addition to the care giver. My thought was this caregiver would be considered "related services." 

    I guess I just need some assistance in further understanding why B section 504 is the correct response....

    Thanks!

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    Mandy Roland B.S.N
    Kernersville, NC United States
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  • 11.  RE: Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 07-05-2019 11:07 AM
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    Mandy, 

    I came here for clarification on the same question as you! I too chose answer C) IDEA because of how the question identified the student as "special education"

    Also,
    I am having trouble understanding the rationale for another question on the practice exam:

    #68 If a 16-year-old boy refuses to tell how he received a black eye, the school nurse should
    A) call parent.
    B) tell the principal.
    C) notify guidance counselor.
    D)  respect the student's right to privacy.

    The review states that A) call the parent is the correct answer, and the rationale resource given directs me to J. Selekman (Ed.), School nursing:  A comprehensive text (2nd ed.). (p. 579, 1093)...the section on bullying.
    With such little information from the student, my concern would be to call the parent if this was a case of physical abuse. My initial reaction was to notify the guidance counselor who may have more information on the students social and home life than I do. 

    Just looking for clarification...

    Thanks!
    Avery

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    Avery Hines
    School Nurse
    Newburyport, MA United States
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  • 12.  RE: Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 07-05-2019 11:16 AM
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    Hello!

    This is a friendly reminder to send any questions you have about test question rationale that are part of the NBCSN review tests directly to info@nbcsn.org. @Pat Krin, MSN, M.S., RN, NCSN-E, FNP-BC-Retired, FNASN will be sure to follow up with candidates individually on these proprietary questions​, to ensure the fidelity of the practice exams. No worries for those who have shared some of the questions on our public forum, but please send your concerns privately to info@nbcsn.org.
    ​​
    It is best practice to do this for questions related to our review book as well. The review book is proprietary and while you can ask about specific questions, please refer to the chapter and number, rather than spelling out the questions and answers. We appreciate having to provide these directions, it means that there is very high engagement on the listserv.

    We are looking forward to continuing these important conversations!

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    Robin Cogan, MEd, RN, NCSN
    School Nurse & Faculty
    Rutgers-Camden School of Nursing
    Camden City School District, NJ
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  • 13.  RE: Welcome to Week #5

    Posted 07-05-2019 12:23 PM
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    Group members, please heed Robin Cogan's friendly reminders about copying questions either from the practice test or the review book into posts on the forum.  These questions are intellectual property and are copyrighted by the authors and/or owners. You can describe the info in the question but please don't write out the questions and answers.  We will always try to give you the best answers that we can, but we may need to contact you offline to get more information.

     

    In the question about the student with the black eye.  I think I would say to you that your statement about having so little information is exactly what you want to focus on.  When a student comes into the office with any complaint we always ask for subjective information.  When answering test questions you only work with the information that is presented.  This question does not tell you how the student answered when you asked what happened.  We never want to assume information into a test question.  A 16 year old boy may very well have had an altercation, so without any other info, calling the parent is the best answer based on the information that you have.  If the student had any other type of injury you would probably call the parent.  Don't ask yourself what if, work with the information that the question gives you.

     

    In answer to your question about the Special Ed/504 question:

     

    Regarding the practice exam question about the parents being required to go on the field trip.

    Here is a good reference. https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/504faq.html

     

    I think the easiest way to explain this, is that IDEA (special education) covers students requiring with 13 specific disabilities, listed here. https://iris.peabody.vanderbilt.edu/module/dll/cresource/q1/p01/13-disability-categories/

     

    In order for a student to be eligible for special education they must require individualized instruction.

     

    504 covers any student with a disability which impacts a major life activity or function whether or not they require specialized instruction.  Section 504 covers all students with a disability, including special education (IDEA). In other words the umbrella of 504 covers students with special education needs also. 504 says that you cannot discriminate against a person (student or otherwise) on the basis of their disability, and by saying that the parent must accompany the student on a field trip you are discriminating  against that child because no other parent is required to go. Regardless of whether the student was a special education student or not, it is 504 that says you cannot require a parent of a student with a disability to attend a field trip.

     

     

    Regards,

     

    Pat

     

    Pat Krin, MSN, RN, FNP-BC-Retired, NCSN, FNASN

    Executive Director

    NBCSN

    nbcsnexec@nbcsn.org

    www.nbcsn.org